"Then lets start at the beginning." He has a pen in hand for annotations. "I take it you were born from another body?" He just knows that the Admiral's translation service is going to be clunky, but that's because some languages lack important words that indicate a body birth.
"For the military in the hexarch - the Kel - Formation Instinct was a fundamental part of their makeup. It induced a certain need to obey orders and maintain proper hierarchy. So, relationships between Kel are strictly forbidden. I believe it was considered taboo even before, but I'm not a student of military history. Did your service have similar strictures?"
The Kel would probably hold Iago up as an example of the danger that can be born from lack of Formation Instinct. Mikodez feels it demonstrates the waste.
"Both of which I consider more useful motivators, but I'm not Kel. What of fraternization?" He's trying to pick out details of various relationships.
"Yes, it was a time when relationships between men were... not allowed?" The last breach at least introduced the concept, though it didn't leave him with answers.
"They once burned sodomites at the stake. It's fallen out of practice now," he explains. "But they are no less hated. There are some who go underground for their needs. But not me. I married a woman."
"Oh, it was regarded as some form of heresy." Now that a torturous death has come up, he can understand it easily. "A particularly stupid one," he notes, and not stupid in the way that various debates about heretical cooking and other minutia. "Yes, I saw you were married. How do such contracts work in your time?"
"Exactly that. The Church forbid it," he explains, hoping that might translate somewhere.
"Contract? Ah, the marriage. We were married and the contract would last a lifetime. I would provide for her and she would have my children. All very standard for our time."
He taps his chin. "Isn't Othello accused of magic?" He read the play! And then he'd read a summary and still doesn't understand what happened, but he does have more details.
Things can change drastically over the centuries - they can change drastically in a moment, and leave an empire with a whole new base of exotic effects - so the fuzziness of the breach is further complicated as a source.
He chuckles, but looks away with the right amount of feigned shame in his eyes. "Ah, of course he was. Because that was the only way he could have wooed Desdemona. But...magic is not real. The only real magic are the words we weave."
Mikodez just looks amused at Iago's act of shame. He has his doubts that 'shame' would be accurate under any circumstances. "The Shuos have never used exotics." They don't need them. "Still, it makes your Church's use of torture even more wasteful. There are so many better ways to establish and maintain social control of your people." Talking of which:
"Returning to the matter of marriage: instead of being a contract between the two or more individuals involved it could require the agreement of the 'head' of the family? Depending on the status of the family." There are always variations within a society.
Iago doesn't seem amused in return, but he does glare at the table a little.
The food does help soften the impact.
"That's right. That's why Othello's marriage to Desdemona was...questioned. Othello might have had a high military status, but his own upbringing and social station was too much of a detriment. My wife's family was all too happy to get rid of her, but they weren't of high breeding. Emilia was beautiful, but we were of equal footing in the eyes of her father."
Mikodez adds that 'equal footing' to his list, but he just nods.
"Most factions in the hexarchate put high value on 'merit', so those sorts of alliances are rare. As I've worked with the faction where it isn't rare, I'm all the more grateful for that. Now that I have a little more background, would you walk me through the matter of - what was it - oh, yes, Cassio's promotion and what followed?"
He snorts. "Cassio had been promoted, though he was not the right choice. I had been the one beside Othello, the one he trusted. I had worked for it, but Cassio stole it."
He sits back. "I wanted to punish him. I knew about his secret marriage, so - I convinced a friend to simply ensure her father knew, as well."
"The double bind of name based society. It can raise up someone unready for the position they're given, and provoke reasonable resentment in someone not chosen."
He smiles. "Do you like them? I've started baking since I came here."
Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-01 12:03 am (UTC)"Well, I've nowhere to be."
Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-01 12:17 am (UTC)Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-01 12:20 am (UTC)"I didn't think you would start that early."
Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-01 12:30 am (UTC)He considers a moment.
"Do you know what formation instinct is?"
Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-01 12:36 am (UTC)Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-01 12:42 am (UTC)Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-01 12:47 am (UTC)"We are trained to obey our officers, yes. But there was nothing forcing it except consequences and our own desire to do well."
Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-01 12:52 am (UTC)"Both of which I consider more useful motivators, but I'm not Kel. What of fraternization?" He's trying to pick out details of various relationships.
Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-01 12:57 am (UTC)Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-01 01:02 am (UTC)Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-01 01:19 am (UTC)Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-01 01:25 am (UTC)Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-01 01:33 am (UTC)"Contract? Ah, the marriage. We were married and the contract would last a lifetime. I would provide for her and she would have my children. All very standard for our time."
Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-01 01:39 am (UTC)"This Church is was regulates exotic effects? Ah, 'magic', I mean."
Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-01 01:40 am (UTC)He sits forward. "The breach we had, the world they lived in, that was very much like what the future of my world is to be."
Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-01 01:44 am (UTC)Things can change drastically over the centuries - they can change drastically in a moment, and leave an empire with a whole new base of exotic effects - so the fuzziness of the breach is further complicated as a source.
Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-01 01:50 am (UTC)Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-01 02:28 am (UTC)"Returning to the matter of marriage: instead of being a contract between the two or more individuals involved it could require the agreement of the 'head' of the family? Depending on the status of the family." There are always variations within a society.
Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-01 03:39 pm (UTC)The food does help soften the impact.
"That's right. That's why Othello's marriage to Desdemona was...questioned. Othello might have had a high military status, but his own upbringing and social station was too much of a detriment. My wife's family was all too happy to get rid of her, but they weren't of high breeding. Emilia was beautiful, but we were of equal footing in the eyes of her father."
Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-03 03:06 pm (UTC)"Most factions in the hexarchate put high value on 'merit', so those sorts of alliances are rare. As I've worked with the faction where it isn't rare, I'm all the more grateful for that. Now that I have a little more background, would you walk me through the matter of - what was it - oh, yes, Cassio's promotion and what followed?"
Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-03 03:11 pm (UTC)He sits back. "I wanted to punish him. I knew about his secret marriage, so - I convinced a friend to simply ensure her father knew, as well."
He shrugs.
Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-03 03:14 pm (UTC)Well, not as punishment, but as proof of what you can do. But that's among Shuos. 'Trust' is measured differently.
"Why do you think Cassio was promoted instead of you?"
Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-03 03:20 pm (UTC)"Because of his name," he says flippantly, picking one if the cookies.
"Did you make this?"
Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-03 03:26 pm (UTC)He smiles. "Do you like them? I've started baking since I came here."
Re: pairings!
Date: 2025-07-03 03:50 pm (UTC)"They are sweet, but I like them. Is that molasses?"
He takes another and breaks it in half.
Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From:Re: pairings!
From: